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Nov 29, 2004

PTP-Sonny, re: shooting, how many times in past?
Sonny:
kind of funny that u mention this pete because ah lets just say i have some unfinished business to take care of b4 i join my wife in new orleans next year. i'll close this part of the chat by saying that i am looking quite 4ward to it when the time comes. just to close speculation it has nothing 2 do with Dipshit, dds, or a couple others that i butted heads with in the past. when it happens believe me you and the greater chicago wrestling community will no about it.ok nuff said.
i watched a video one time of the old larry matysik st.louis wrestling club that had a tv match between a young buddy landell against veteran max blue, not sure why but max blue had a bug up his ass about doing the job for landell and about 3 or 4 minutes in blue started shooting with landell and rather quickly landell took down blue and wrapped him up in a type of amatuer roll up and told the ref to hit a fast 3 count. landell and blue almost came to blows in the dressing room from what i heard and as a result max blue was abruptly fired and told to leave the building.
i do recall an incident where jerry "crusher" blackwell roughed up milwaukee worker woody wilson when allegedlly woody was saying some $hit about verne gagne or whatever the reason was, everything was smoothed over afterwards but woodrow looked inbad shape.
from my own experience from warsaw, indiana @ the national guard armory calypso jim (bobo jr.) and yours truly worked the maxx bros. (sam decero and john richmond -aka eli the eliminater) not sure why but there was a history of heat between calypso and madd maxx (john richmond) dating back to when th4ey were all working for dick the bruisers company in indianapolis anyhow the finish that we were given by promoter mike schwab was for i think super maxx (sam decero) to take it on calypso about 20 minutes. during the match when calypso and madd maxx botched up a couple spots, calypso did something and/or made a gesture to piss off madd maxx and then all ofa sudden madd maxx cold cocked calypso with a right, calypso had a hellava gash under his eye. calypso ran into the armory office and locked the door thus leaving me in there with both sam and john and john just flipped over a table i guess just venting what was left in his system.
well good old me had the deer in the headlights look going as i didn't know what to expect but john grabbed me and he and sam put me over like a million bucks for the next couple minutes until catching me with a double clthesline and i think double slamming me throat first on the top rope. a short time later the warsaw police showed up @ the building as calypso wanted to swear out an arrest warrant for assault and battery on john richmond. we all basically had to explain the inner workings of the business to warsaws finest to save john from going to jail and after a short time calypso withdrew his complaint.
i drove with sam decero to that particular show and we all had a good laugh about it on the way home and then the next time i worked a show with john richmond i always ribbed him by telling his opponents that if he stiffs u call five-o.
when i read lou thesz' book "hooker" thesz talked about argentina rocca, mainly about the guy being a moron and lousy worker but mainly about rocca drawing huge business for vince mccmahon sr. and toots mondt the then owners of the capital wrestling office (pre wwf) during the 50's and early 60's.
rocca, with the blessing of vince sr. and toots let rocca do some work in morris siegels nwa texas territory and the goal was to eventually set rocca up with title shots against not only then nwa champ lou thesz in houston and a few other towns but for rocca to work then nwa jr.heavyweight champ leroy mcguirk in some other towns.
kola kowanni, who was part of the east coast office with vince sr. and mondt accompannied rocca on his swing through texas, when word got back to vince sr. and mondt that rocca was to put over thesz and mcguirk, kola was given orders to leave texas with rocca and head back to new york. rocca was undefeated in the east coast so vince sr. was concerned that if any word got back to the east coast that rocca, his top face was beaten he was pranoid that his territory would dry up. advanced tix sales in all the texas and oklahoma towns for were tremendous but come the nights of the shows when rocca no showed the main events with thesz and mcguirk it made the nwa texas territory almost dry up.
nwa texas owner morris siegel along with nwa st. louis owner -president along with paul jones, jim barnett, etc. used there political influence to get argentina rocca banned from wrestling in just about every state of the union with the state wrestling athletic commissions including new york, due to the texas shennanigans of rocca and his east coast croanies.
vince sr. approached morris siegel to make things right and siegel told vince that if rocca returns to texas to fulfill his booking obligations against thesz and mcguirk he and his croanies would contact the wrestling commissions in the various states that rocca was banned and rescind the ban on rocca.
the first few towns were rocca against mcguirk and mcguirk told thesz in the dressing room that he was going to decapitate rocca but thesz told mcguirk not to do it to save it for the upcoming houston date that had thesz vs rocca and thesz said to mcguirk that he would make things right. a few nights later in houston thesz totally fabed rocca and kola kowanni in the dressing room and a short time after that rocca and kola grabbed there bags and were going to high tail it out of the building knowing what thesz had in store for rocca. siegel had a packed building in houston that night and had the hind sight to have 2 houston police officers waiting outside the dressing room to stop rocca and kola from escaping if they had ideas. the police officers discouraged rocca and kola from leaving and now they both knew that they had to take what was coming to them.
in thesz' book he said that he had no intention of doing anything to rocca because that would be like shooting an unarmed man so when the 2 out of 3 fall match began rocca kept bailing out of the ring and avoided thesz @ all costs and this did nothing but get thesz pissed off finally thesz fed rocca his head and rocca put thesz in a headlock and a second later thesz hit rocca with a wicked back suplex that knocked rocca out cold, thesz covered rocca for the 1st fall and rocca never came to in the 2nd fall and was carted off to a local houston hospital.
thesz mentioned that all the $$ rocca made for vince sr. and toots mondt up and down the east coast, rocca only received a tiny % of it and when rocca died in 1977 after being one of the top $$ draws in wrestling he died piss broke.

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Anon.
Dec 07, 2004
Review: Brew City Wrestling in Pulaski, WI

On Dec. 5th, I made the hour journey to see BCW's "Pandemonium In Pulaski". I had alot of issues with this show even before I got in my car to go to it. For one, BCW's own web site mentions NOTHING of it...in fact, the posts on ACW's message board were the most web-advertising that I saw. Not even the message board that's wildly considered a "smark mark" message board acknowledged this show...and all that'd take to make that happen is 1 post. 411mania.com has a guy that posts on varous other nationally known "smark mark" sites that post upcoming indy shows...this one isn't mentioned either. Bad bad bad advertising I'd say. On a real fast side note, I recently read the interview on 411mania.com with Jason Jerry, what a great interview that was.

Wasn't this show supposed to start at 6:30? There's nothing more agonizing and shitty then making people wait to get in. I also notice there isn't exactly a riot going on to break down the door.

So once were FINALLY let in, I start scouting out the place...sure enough, there's ACW's entrance way...and ACW's sound system....and hey look, ACW's promoter, along with ACW's manager Jamie The Weasel, and even ACW's fat color commentor..whatever his name is. What really got me is that it appeared that Jason Jerry was doing sound..ah..judging off the tape I bought Titletown Takeover 7 (which I had to email them to get, nice video store), where he was doing the ring announcing and then comparing it to Frankie DaFalco or however the hell its spelled failed attempts at it (along with the others I've heard), I would guess that it'd be too logical to allow arguably the best ring announce in the Midwest to announce the show. The show suddenly isn't "Pandemonium in Pulaski". Not shocking, with 20 people and 3 headline guys not in appearance, there won't be much for pandemonium. Oh yeah, there's probably 20 people in attendance. This is starting to look as good as a Powerhouse Pro Wrestling show...and the bell hasn't even rung yet. I'll also point out ACW's Ref Kyle and a few of his friends are here too...who's show is this anyways? Kyle was giving away flyers to the next ACW show...at a BCW show. The more I think about this all, the more my head aches. Onwords with our, as the poster says, "FAN-tabulous" bouts....

Our first match, its a battle royal. All wrestlers are introduced, a total of 12...I notice there is no Dysfunction, no Silas Young, and no Adrian Serrano as the poster advertised. My first thought? Will Doink be here tonight and who will work as him? As the post on this message board about this board states, the rest of the card is determined by order of elimination. One wrestler is announced as some sort of failed attempt at "The Backyard Wrestling Champion" in spanglish. Battle royal's are always hard to call, and I didn't see anything of note to mention...the backyard wrestling champ or whatever lame name he's given wins? Oookay. Frankie gets a post match interivew...oh its Steve Stone, BCW WORLD..yes that's right WORLD. In front of 20 people were having a WORLD title match. Frankie degrades his own title in the segment. Dinty Moore ends up getting the match against Stone later tonight. I'm already trying to figure out a way I can get my $12 back for this crap.

Bobby Valentino vs Iron Madden Robin Valentino Thompson

Don't quote me on that name, all I know is Iron Maiden was involved and the rest I think I heard. Neither guy gets much of a reaction...and the crowd on hand, the whole 20 of us, can hear each other breathe. In fact, if you have 2 working ears, you can hear the wrestlers in the back talking about varoius subjects. Wow these guys are workin! This match as you can expect by this point, is awful and both guys have to be greener then alls hell. It actually took them longer to get into position for a move then to actually execute it. And over the mic we get to hear time cues as the match is now a 10 minute time limit...the professionalism just keeps finding new lows now here folks.

Winner: Ask yourself...do you care? Really...do you?

I'm going to just save you the trouble here and let you know Trik Davis wrestled, and won by pinfall. You can thank me later.

"Waterboy" Mike Horning & Mike Venom vs Jimmy Goomba & Jack Berzerker
Venom I saw off that ACW tape I bought, and he fit well as Eric Priest's bodyguard...he's built for it. I wanted to see him wrestle, and I got my wish. J-Real and Jimmy Goomba have a few simularites...but Goomba has a good gimmick and that certainly doesn't hurt, he atelast made the crowd remove the thumbs from there ass and make a little noise. Whoever the hell this ref is, he should really learn how to move a little and stay out of the way. Constantly where he shouldn't be....and he's got really bad cauliflower ear. Berzerker ends this for me by pinfall with a spear...that's enough for me to mark out for him.

And once again Frankie's there for the post match interview, this isn't getting taped by the way and for the sake of the few wrestling fans that are still out there, I'm glad. Goomba talks about his neck injury and all..and Frankie asks the dumbest question I've ever heard during an interview. Goomba's talking about the metal plate that was put in him and Frankie asks, and I'm not kidding "is it stainless steel?".

Angel Armoni vs "Delicious" Danny Scott

Armoni's a GREAT heel, everyone else just made weak attempts to make the crowd care, If memory serves right, DDS wins with a roll up.

Brandon Blaze vs "El Vato" Jose Guerrero

A Spanish Stew chant at a BCW show by a group of ACW's fans...there's alot that doesn't add up right there. Blaze I should note breaks kayfabe and wears Stone's gimmick, is that really necessary? Match was so-so...and went FOREVER before it turns into a big mess with Stone getting involved and Dinty Moore gets involved...and the ref BODYSLAMS Stone. A ref should never bodyslam a wrestler unless he is a wrestler who's the special guest ref. If some ref can bodyslam this guy that easy and get away with it, who says the rest of us can't? Totally ruins the credibility of wrestling. In fact, this whole show does. Vato does a favor for me that I'll never be able to re-pay by winning and ending this garbage with a top rope flying cross body.

Why won't anyone stop Frankie from taking mic time after every match? Eugh...

WORLD title match: Steve Stone (Champ) vs Dinty Moore

Well, I had to use the bathroom during most of this...sorry. I didn't miss much I'm assuming. I regret that decision to use the bathroom though because holy cow did it stink in there! Yikes, someone's ass died in there. El Vato makes his way out from the back (as a few guys did) but Jose was the only one to sell being involved in his match. That's pretty key if your going to leave the back area, so many times I've seen guys leave the back area right after a match just to try making a few bucks by selling there stuff and showing no signs of competing in a match. Eventually this ends up somehow, I forget how...I don't care how where both men are down and out and pin one another. Frankie the mic whore grabs the mic and announces that the first man to their feet wins. Yay. Stone is the first up after Brandon Blaze takes out Dinty's knees. I really really hate that. I realize that is the same concept as "Last Man Standing" but that's a whole different animal...why not just gimmick up this match as a Last Man Standing if that's the finisher to it? Anyways, Vato, who was sitting next to that fat commentator of ACW's over by their production area suddenly has a mask on and starts celebrating with Stone...and doesn't know who he is? Come on...his name is written on his pants! He starts celebrating with him and suddenly turns on him...whatever. Some other stuff happens as I'm walking out the door, knowing that I'll never never never ever go to another BCW show again. What a step back for pro wrestling....

Time of show, one hour and 30 minutes. I spent more time driving to and from this show then to watch it. This is the worst stuff I've seen, I've seen and had a better time (for a price that fits too) at the few backyard shows I've attended. They also had more then 20 people at their show.
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Dec 12, 2004
You know, i guess in a way, Larry's right; i should be a little jaded to thed shit side of wrestling. Wrestling's always going to have it's lowlifes. But i'm a wrestling fan as well as a businessman, and i'm tired of seeing people get screwed over, especially by these money-grubbing, 2bit low-budget shysters that would compromise any shred of dignity just to fuck people out of a few dollars. The latest kick in the pills to Wisconsin fans came apparently at friday's BCW show in Waukesha, in which, in the least, Corporal Robinson, was not there as advertised. Hey, i know no-shows happen pretty commonly in wrestling, but EVERY fucking SHOW?! This is like the third time Frankie's advertised Corp and he wasn't there. I saw that Corp was on IWA's show friday, so obviously he wasn't at BCW. Is Frankie that stupid that he doesn't think people would be able to figure out that anyone that's advertised from out of town that would want transportation reimbersment are almost always no-shows?
How in the hell can anyone have any confidence in this asswipe's shows? He never even has the guts or the class to address the absenses at the show; he just starts the shows and goes ahead pretending they were never even supposed to be there. He knows damn well that guys like Robinson are not going to pay their own way from southern indiana, so he tries to get a guy or two booked on the show from that area-guys he doesn't have to pay trans to-and get him to ride with them. When that falls through, he just fucks the fans out of seeing him. That's why he doesn't even put a lineup or results anywhere. Hopefully, the indy scene will be rid of assholes like this soon. Guys that treat fans like idiots with his "bait and switch" bullshit.

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Anon.
Jan 2005
National product? Don't mean to be a dick here, but can you seriously call IWA MS a national product? They've used a few "name" guys from ROH, that's about it. And about CCW being a family and friends atmosphere, yeah maybe; but i was at that show from when they first started letting people in, and almost every on of those people paid to get in-every one. When you're talking 150-175 PAYING people at the show, who cares if it's family or not?
And about Ian not having a relationship with the area and not having a "local" feel, tell me this: where else has IWA ran besides Indiana? They have run in Indiana for over 4 years-at least. How long do they have to run in that state before they develop a "relationship" with the area? For Christ's sake; Charlestown, Clarksville, Indianapolis, Oolitic, Lafayette, and so on. He comes in, runs in some little VFW hall, has fans put up generic flyers at local 7-11's about 4 days before the show, and draws 40 people. He does this about 4-5 times before he stops running in the town, blaming the people who actually do go to the shows because they didn't bring more people with them . How in the fuck can you run a show in an area as big as Indianapolis-with names like Rey Mysterio and Eddie Guerrero-and draw only 75 people? Guess that's what happens when the only effort you put into advertising is posting an announcement of a show on the message board that the same 50 people that go to the show read.
As long as he's been running shows, almost every weekend for years, in Indiana and has had such horrible business profits is rediculous. CCW getting local businesses involved? damn right, it's a good idea; getting local businesses to sponsor shows-if nothing else, to cover your expenses for building and truck rental-helps a lot. No, Ian's one of these hard-headed martyrs that thinks it looks noble to people that he's "doing it all on his own". Well, then don't be an idiot and bitch at the people that just paid to see your show that "you people ain't gonna see AJ Styles or Samoa Joe again till you get the attendence up around here". How completely asinine is it for a supposed businessman to say that kind of shit to people?

You have to admit, Larry, that there are very simple things that Ian could do to improve his business. He just likes to blame other people why he runs out of gas at every turn.

PTP:
As I have stated before, I have never seen anyone get comped at a CCW show. Mama Blaze runs a tight ship and everyone knows it. I was at Ben Jordans show in Lakemor in November, He had the Thomasellis on the card and these guys are all from McHenry. There were maybe 50 people there. If friends and family are getting comped , that is one thing. But I would bet that the comps at a CCW show are the lowest of any fed. You cant get lower than zero. Larry, question for you....why do you not concede that CCW has good crowds? Why do you have to cheapen the remark by saying it was all family and friends? I did not know a soul before I went to my first CCW match. Am I in the minority?

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Sonny:
2/2005
nothing personal against todd, larry, ed, blair, and company i would hoist a bottle of beer to them anytime and wish everyone well but i think the time has come to take a bit of a sabbatical from chicagowrestling.com.
if somebody "axes" me a question i will answer it if somebody wants my opinion or to comment on an issue or topic i will.
i stopped taking that website seriously a long time ago as i usually enjoyed the entertainment and comic relief provided by orgy, joe herro, and the rest of the tools.
the only thing that disturbs me is that some of the smaller chicago area based companys who may not have the best talent rosters on paper or in the ring bust there arses and give 110% evertime out and when they do well as far as live attendance goes they are seldom given a pat on the back, seldom congratulated, nor given any credit for just being able to keep there doors open unlike so many wrestling companys in chicagoland that are no longer in business.
i read about 15 pages of the wwa "jello gate" stuff on cw.com and even though i found most of it to be pretty hilarious the bottom line was that 9 out of 10 who posted there anti jello wrestling protests were not fans of wwa and had no intention of showing up anyway.
i tip my hat to benito and those @ wwa for drawing well from what i had heard and i tip the derby to pcw, ccw, and wcpw who i understand drew very well a couple weekends ago despite the big snow storm in markham, il.
i'm not going to dictate how cw.com should be run but as i stated on the pcw board i just don't think that al lagatolla had his website going in the current direction that it is in now when al was the big cheese @ cw.com.
i am in no way saying that todd and company are doing a horrible job to the website but eds column kind of went over the line a bit though i did enjoy most of the column.
to each his own i guess so just go out there and enjoy what you are seeing on the chicago indy scene be it good, fair, or mediocre.

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3/14/2005

BT:
Since it was originally announced that Ripper would be facing Abyss at BOTB2005 and it has since been changed after I made this post commenting on Abyss as Ripper's opponent, I decided to modify my post. The whole premise of the post remains intact, just the name had to be changed.***

I was debating on whether to actually chime in on this subject but I feel the need to. I want to say a thing or two or three about Ripper Manson retiring at Battle of the Belts.

I want to preface this post by saying that I have always liked Ripper personally. When I came to WCPW and my problems from PWI followed me, it was Ripper who was right there backing me up offering to kick the shit out of Trevor Blanchard. Ripper had my back and I appreciated it. As time went on, mine and Ripper's paths were intertwined a bit, especially in my early days of WCPW. When it was time for my first match, Sam wanted to test all the rumors about me supposedly having a bad attitude. So Sam put me in a 6 man match on the jobber heel team for the sole purpose of putting The Brotherhood over. Now I had no problem with this whatsoever because as a worker, I NEVER had a problem putting anyone over and in this case it made a lot of sense since The Brotherhood was so much bigger than our team.

So Sam comes to me before the match and tells me that I am doing the job to Ripper. Sam told me this personally for one reason only and that was to see how I'd react to it face to face. Sam saw no hesitation on my part and walked away pleased. Match came, I do the finish, Rip gets the win. An easy night and an easy first match. Again, I was appreciative to Ripper.

BOTB 2000 comes and it's my night to go over in the 120 Man Battle Royal. During the match, Ripper grabs Ronnie Vegas and decides that since my little ass is going over in the main, they are gonna make me earn it. So for 20 minutes, I am a ping pong ball between Ripper and Ronnie, getting my chest lit up with some of the stiffest chops I have ever taken in my life. Ripper was more than gracious in letting me get some of that heat back because when it came time to eliminate Ripper and Ronnie together, Rip told me and Terry Allen to dump them. Again, I was appreciative.

That brings me to my point now. I have always known Ripper to be a good guy in and out of the ring. So now I have to question his thinking on his last match. When I was on my way out of WCPW, the talks and the plan were for Ripper to win the heavyweight strap at BOB 2002, hold it for 1 year, then job the title and retire at BOB 2003. Now there was some brief talk about letting Ripper retire with the belt to further show Sam's appreciation to Ripper for years of loyalty, but it was said that it was decided against having him retire with the belt. Sam had agreed to the one year title reign as a way to reward Rip for all his years of loyalty. So BOB 2002 comes, Rip wins the belt. Come the following year though, something happens, Ripper doesn't drop the strap. BOB 2004 comes, Ripper doesn't drop the strap. So now I am starting to shake my head. Granted, WCPW's heavyweight division has been at it's weakest for quite some time, but Vito Fontaine is THE PERFECT CHOICE to carry the strap and defeat Ripper. That didn't happen.

So Ripper has been on a 3 year mark out fest for himself and not even considering dropping the strap and putting someone else over on the way out. The process of doing the job and giving the rub on the way out has been the accepted way of doing good business in the wrestling world for decades. Hogan has done it, Flair has done it, Savage has done it, Rock has done it, etc etc. Every big name except for Bret Hart has followed this pattern of passing the torch on the way out. Not Ripper though. Not the big bad leader of the Brotherhood.

Ripper Manson is facing Larry Zybsko at this years Battle of the Belts in his last match. Now when I first read this I became very angry and quite honestly, embarrassed for WCPW. Will it be a good match? Probably not. What bothers me though is the example it sets and what the outcome will say without anyone ever saying a word.

There are only 2 ways that this match can go. 1)Ripper will successfully defend the title or lose via count out or DQ or go to a draw, which will allow him to retire as Champion as he wanted to do. 2)Ripper will lose the title to a guest wrestler, refusing to give the rub to any WCPW worker that will be with the company as a representative long after Ripper is gone. Either way, Ripper is refusing to do what so many Larger Than Life superstars have done before him in order to do what is right for business.

If they put the strap on Zybsko, he will undoubtedly lose the strap the following show that they book him on. If they allow Ripper to retire as champ, then they shit on the age old process of gving the rub to someone on the way out. Neither of those scenarios will benefit anyone other than Ripper Manson. The company will suffer from this and it sets a very ugly precedent amongst the boys. Sam should know better than to agree to this and more importantly, Ripper, with all his years as a fan and as a worker, should know that this is the worst thing he could do for business.

I am pleading to Ripper Manson to reconsider this mess he's gotten himself into. Believe me, I understand the desire to retire on top and get everything your way on the way out. I am sure that Ripper probably had a huge say so in requesting Zybsko to be his final opponent. However, you have to see that defending or jobbing the title in your last match with a guy that doesn't represent WCPW will not help the company or anyone in it.

You may have been loyal to Sam and the company for many years. I just hope you come to your senses and realize that with your final action before you leave, you are negating any positive legacy that you might've left behind and will forever be remembered as a guy who marked out for himself in his final 3 years and shit on the company on his way out just to reward himself. I truly hope you realize this Rip.

Frame it up
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Ripper will now be facing Larry Zybsko at BOTB2005. I don't know what brought about the change or if someone just reported it wrong on the CW.com message board in the first place. All I know is that it was reported on March 9th that Rip would face Abyss, then that same post was modified on March 14th changing it to Zybsko.

All this means is that Ripper will more than likely retire as champ whereas there is far less chance of WCPW strapping a 60 year old Zybsko than strapping a much younger better worker in Abyss.

There is only one way that WCPW can save ANY kind of face by letting Ripper retire as Champ. That is if they retire the Heavyweight strap permanently afterwards and simply keep the League Strap as the main title in the company. There has been debate for years as to the logic in having a Heavyweight Champion and a League Champion and which title was more important. Hell, there was even a mini storyline about it in 2001 with me being the foil between Terry (League) and Boz (Heavy), making sure the question was never answered.

If WCPW tries to reactivate the Heavyweight title after Ripper retires it by holding a tourney or something, all that does is make the next champion look very weak and title look even weaker. It's a cliche by now but it's still true. "To be the Man, ya gotta beat the man". If Ripper retires the belt and someone wins a tourney to become new champ, it instantly makes the new Champion The Lex Luger of WCPW. He never beat Flair for the title but became champion anyways.

So the point of my original post still holds true. In his last action as a WCPW performer, he will be hurting the company more than anything else.

Frame it up!

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Ok, first they announce that Abyss will be taking on Ripper Manson for the WCPW Heavyweight title. Then they change that and say Abyss will be facing UAPW champion Damien Dunn. Now they change it yet again and say Abyss will be facing Vito 2 Fingers Fontaine.

Who will Abyss be facing come the actual event? I also have to wonder if my pointing out that Abyss won the UWA title from another Chicago Indy and then jokingly asking if the match would be title for title, had anything to do with yanking Abyss from the title match.

Can someone from WCPW please tell us once and for all who Abyss' opponent will be come BOTB?

Frame it up!

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WCPW

BT:
Well, that is not a simple question. There are several reasons in my opinion.

1) This is the most important thing to keep in mind and I have seen this first hand. Sam DeCero gets REALLY nervous when someone else's ideas start moving the company in the right direction. In late 2000, several members of creative came up with the idea to run a "circuit" in the Chicagoland area. By circuit I mean 4-6 venues that you run once every 4-6 months. Example. Venue 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 then back to 1 and start over. That way you had about a 4-6 month rest in every venue so you don't get stale and people actually anticipate the next show.

We started this off with Madonna HS on Belmont and our first show we drew 750 people. We did well in that venue for 3 shows and new storylines and characters were starting to take off, yet Sam didn't like the fact that it wasn't his ideas and storylines taking off. So on our last show, he booked a show that was almost totally out of sync with storylines we had running there. He essentially killed off the circuit. Then when I was the Creative Consultant for their TV show, I came up with the idea to incorporate skits throughout the show to develop some of our characters and take full advantage of our show since it aired in the city. I wrote the skits, directed the skits, filmed the skits, hand created most of the props in the skits, and acted in some of them. However, when it came time to go into the editing room to make sure the skits made it onto the TV show in the proper context, Sam forbid me to be in the editing room. Keep in mind that I have a legit B.A. in Film and Video Directing with a minor in Television. The thing that made me quit Creative was when Sam decided to air a retro TV show from 1988 the week leading into BOTB 2001. He put our top angle's skit in the middle of this show that had nothing to do with the upcoming Belts. It was ludicrous.

Sam and I butted heads creatively all the time whereas I was new aged Sports Entertainment oriented and he was Old School Rasslin minded. Another great example is how he butched my Badder Ladder Royal idea. He agreed to use my concept as a selling point for his BOTB 2001 show so he could lay claim to being the first to do that type of match, then cut the legs out from under it before it ever had a chance. I mean, it doesn't really make sense to use a match where the whole point of it is to raise the ring to enable huge "holy shit" type chants, then tell people they will get fired from the company if they take any huge bumps. It was that type of non-sensical crap that kept me shaking my head. Ultimately though, it boils down to Sam ALWAYS wanting to be the guy who takes the company forward, yet he lacks the time and creativity to actually get it there.

2) Sam's old school mentality. When the idea to bring in RVD for BOTB 2001 was brought up, Sam legitimately asked "who's that?". Robby Dawber brought in Nick Dinsmore to WCPW 1 full year before Nick signed his WWE contract. Robby wanted Sam to use Nick and some fellow OVW guys on a long term basis to benefit the WCPW boys and get the OVW guys some extra work. Sam basically ignored Dinsmore the entire show backstage and then decided never to use him again. When Robby later asked if Sam would use him again and mentioned it could be a good way to get noticed by some WWE guys, Sam responded by saying that he already had his in with WWE because he had just put the Battle Royal strap on Jerry Lawler. It was such a dumb mistake because Lawler has yet to be back for the company while Dinsmore was headlining WWE PPV's about a year later.

3) Sam surrounds himself with "Yes Men". In the years I spent with WCPW, I have seen Sam have a handful of people who pushed issues with Sam and refused to be Yes Men. I would constantly take Sam to task in front of other staff members. Was it disrespectful? A lot of times yes. Was it all stuff that needed to be said. Absolutely! All you have to do is look at his roster and see who is at the top of the card. If you disagree with Sam, you eventually find yourself "on the outside looking in" as he would like you to believe. It happened to me, Jimmy Kleckner, Stone Manson, Robby Dawber. All people who did everything they could in order to help the company and Sam didn't appreciate it.

4) Sam treats the company like a hobby. DeCero has a large family and a full time job. He cannot dedicate himself to the company like he should, in order to "wheel and deal" in the company's best interest. Add that onto the fact that he is too afraid to give others "too much power" and you have a company that will remain right where it is currently while having all the potential in the world to become so much more. I mean, Sam's product is completely in house. He doesn't have any show expenses except venue cost, gas for his ring truck, and pay for the boys. He owns all of his equipment including the ring truck. He could run a show for probably less than $1500. He sells his tix for $15 a pop. All he needs to do to make his money back is draw 100 people. If he draws 200 people, then he made his money back and had $1500 in his own pocket at the end of the night. WCPW should be more than it is, but it's not and Sam has no one to blame except himself.

Those are just SOME of the reasons they will never be a bigger player in the scene. Their time as #1 came and went. Being the oldest doesn't make them the best.

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How can you say that you DISTINCLY remember me doing something and in the same sentence say "I think"? Doesn't quite go together.

Anywho, your dates are all wrong. In 2000, I was a full fledged member of the WCPW roster. However, in November and December of 2001, I had recently left WCPW and went back for a few of their shows that I deemed were important. Why? Lets take a stroll down memory lane.

November 2001, Taft HS, 1st WJYS tv taping. I was invited by a few guys to come out to the show. I wore normal clothes and brought a few storyline specific signs with me. I heckled the heels, cheered the faces. I did root for the heel Ferrari against the face Dawber, both of my friends. Robby even came over to the first row and pie faced me for it. So I was actually helping get the crowd into, not getting them into Dipshit. Robby got one hell of a pop for the pie face too.

December 2001, Marionette Park, another WJYS tv taping. Again, wore normal clothes. VERY SMALL crowd that had to be repositioned to fill up the hard camera side once the show began. This KILLED THE CROWD! So I again became the Cheerleader of sorts and led the crowd in most of the chants. At least 15 WCPW workers thanked me after the show going so far as saying "you MADE the crowd". Again, even though I left on bad terms with Sam, I wanted to help that company and my friends in it. No self serving for Dipshit.

December 2001, some school on the south side, first UAPW WJYS tv taping. A few of the boys again asked me to come out. So I decided to play Uber Mark. I brought a mexican flag, mexican boxing gloves, mexican straw hat and a mexican poncho. I put all this on when Los Mexicanos came out. Los Mexicanos had a very hard time keeping a straight face and even Sam DeCero was laughing his ass off at the commentators table. I again acted like the cheerleader and got the fans pointed in the right direction since it was a new venue and no one was familiar with the UAPW product.

December 2001, 1st Bourbon Street show, house show I believe. I wore black slacks, black shirt, and a purple suit jacket. Not even close to being "my Dipshit outfit". Why was I wearing it? Me and my wife, who was at the show with me, were going to a X-Mas party afterwards. Doing my normal cheerleading stuff for WCPW but new guy Abaddon, who didn't know me or what I was doing, decided to treat me like another fan, which by all means he should've, played heel in my face and I stood up and jabber jawed back with him. Nothing as "Dipshit vs Abaddon".


So StarStruck, there is a HUGE difference between a former employee of a company coming back and helping out his friends and getting THEIR show over compared to a non-employee/non-wrestler going to someone elses show so they can get themselves and their friends over so they can go on a message board and write about how "must see" they were.

Something else to note is the fact that I have gone to PCW shows, LWF shows, IWC shows, IUWA shows, etc, and never once disrupted their shows, whether to get myself over or their show over. Being rowdy to hype up a crowd for the sake of getting heels and faces over according to their storylines is not the same thing that you're comparing me to.

Here is another trip down memory lane.

June 1999, Congress theatre, PWI's first show in venue. Due to some political bullshit between Myself and Jim Blaze, John Burke who was promoting the show, left me off the card to appease Blaze. I was running a show in October and planning to take the company in a different direction storyline wise. So I attend the show for the sake of being able to actually watch the entire show since I never got that opportunity while being booked on the shows, and assess the roster. So I sit down to take my notes and see that there are only about 40 people in this venue that seats a couple thousand. Now this crowd was DEAD. So after the first 2 matches where no one in the crowd was responding to shit, I put down my note pad and turn myself into obnoxious cheerleader. By match 4, the crowd was getting into the show. Again, considering my problems with the promoter at the time, many of the boys thanked me after the show for nudging the crowd in the right direction.

So again StarStruck, your comparison is not valid.

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Sonny:
the people that u make reference to BT represent such a small percentage of the wrestling fans- marks out there that in most cases it's not even worth acknowledging.
true it gets rather annoying from time to time and every so often i kind of get my feathers ruffled by a few of these non workers.
it seems that the common denominator is that many of these folks that review an event work and/ or represent another company and the review is going to be made to the standards and expectations of the company that they work for and/ or represent be it if the company that they are a part of is amongst the top echelon- cream of the crop type company or borderline yarder or just plain bad wrestling company.
odds are is that many of these people that u make reference to BT probably never followed professional wrestling b4 1995 and therefore whatever accomplishments many of the boys did as far as drawing $$, tv ratings, gimmick sales, ppv buys, getting arses in the seats @ non tv house shows, etc. just don't count because ROH nor any of its talent didn't do it.
this in no way a knock @ the ROH company nor any of the talent because i like to see everybody make some serious coin in the biz.
it kind of goes back to "the other website" if on a particular saturday evening wcpw, pcw, ccw, powerhouse, etc. drew crowds of over 500 people to each of there events and then CNN breaks in with a news story that cm punk had the shits from eating a bad burrito then @ some point on sunday the day after all these companys did good business then the lead story on "the other websites" home page would be "CM PUNK GETS SICK FROM BURRITO, FULL RECOVERYT EXPECTED" and of course the local companys that did well would get the magnifying glass text print under the bold print headline.
i made mention on the "other" website board last week that i was given an award plaque a couple of weekends ago by iwamidsouth in highland, in. and about a week leading up to the event i receive an email from dave prazak, who works with iwamidsouth and he wanted me to appear @ the event in highland, in. and during the award ceromony larry sweeney would crash the cereomony and then we would have an impromptu 2 or 3 minute match from that point, we did what was told of us to do and it received a decent crowd pop.
i wanted to go on the iwamidsouth message board the next day or 2 and thank everyone for the plaque and the evening that they provided for me but when i went to register i never received my password to get on the iwa board probably do to the spam blocking stuff i have on aol.
i did see and read a thread on the iwa board from my old bud "shotgun yan" and some other goof named "hoedoggie"? making mention of how dare that my dna is now part of an iwamidsouth ring and now ian rottens company is going to take a downward spiral thanks to them having the likes of yours truly on its event.
the point of this story is that shotgun yan and his pal and many of those like them no nothing of professional wrestling prior to 1995 and to there mindset for example if the huge crowds wwf drew @ wrestlemania 3, in 87, the huge house show crowds on a monthly basis @ the then rosemont horizon, the close to 40k people who attended the rogers v oconnor match @ comiskey park in 61, etc. just didn't happen because it wasn't ROH or iwamidsouth that did it.
my closing thoughts are let these nit wits spout off all they want because the casual wrestling fans out number the internet smart marks on a 9-1 maybe 8-2 ratio.
many of these so called experts that do these reviews don't take into consideration that perhaps a few of the boys are working there matches with an injury and maybe working against a doctors orders so in that aspect these workers are limited to what they can physically do in the ring but if the crowd pops and the fans were happy then it should be considered a job well done. there are those with limited athletiuc ability so its just a matter of working with what u have.
"sacrifice" is in my opinion still one of the top 10 workers in the chicago area and i had the pleasure of working him this past weekend in summit, the main synopis of the match was to do some old school mat wrestling and hit a few moves and spots that are seldom used ever nor not @ all. obviously i couldn't do a fast paced, high flying match that sacrifice works in most cases so because of my age and a couple of bad knees i have we adjusted the match to these standards. the crowd popped and we were both congratulated by just about everyone for this change of pace type match. when i read the review of the match the next day on the "other" board i was put over by the writer but sacrifice was kind of raked over the coals because he looked like just another grunge wrestler.
oh well i just wanted to acknowledge some of what BT, STARMAN, CF, and a few others were saying i copuld be wrong in my assessments but i just thought that i would toss in my 2 cents worth.


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Sonny:
i agree on most of what BT says and yes what sam decero has accomplished in nearly 20 years of operation is a blueprint to success though i may not agree with everything the man has done past and present.
in all fairness i want to bring up the incident that BT mentions about referee steve cain being kind of raked over the coals by sam decero in the wcpw dressing room @ the event in springfield, il. i believe. whether it was a rib or not by sam to humiliate steve cain and/ or just a way to get rid of him i don't know but what i do know is a story that was never brought up on the boards of cw.com or any other website forum so i would like to share the story with u all and let u all decide what is right and what is wrong. my intent of telling this story is not to publicly urinate or sling mud on sam decero on a public forum so here goes.
it is true that steve cain the long time wcpw referee was ribbed, ridiculed, humiliated, or whatever word fits when he was confronted by decero in the dressing room @ that wcpw event in front of the boys, office, woman, etc. and maybe it was not a smart move on steve cains part to deny that he was taking referee bookings for other companys in front of the entire wcpw staff but i do know that @ that time steve cain was going through a very difficult time in that his wife was going throug a life threatning illness and steve was having a difficult time financially and whether or not he confronted sam decero and asked permission to work for other companys i can't say.
during this time period the illinois wrestling commission that was regulated by the illinois dept. of professional regulation was still in operation and steve cain @ the time was an illinois licensed referee and the license fee was paid for by steve cain not sam decero.
after the wcpw dressing room incident sam decero took it upon himself to contact the illinois department of professional regulation main office in springfield, il. and made an attempt to have steve cains illinois referees license revolked because he worked for other non wcpw affiliated companys. sean curtin the headof the il. wrestling commission and his right hand man ron puccillo were not happy because sam decero went over there heads instead of trying to resolve the situation through curtin and puccillo without getting the il. dpr in the dispute.
an investigator from the IL. DPR started an investigation and steve cain was notified via registered us mail about a hearing set @ the thompson building.
yours truly, iron mike samson, frank the tank melson, turbo, and a few other people wrote character reference letters about steve cain and had them all mailed or faxed to the lead investigator of the il. dpr the il. dpr investigator contacted me for a statement and i gave the investigator the information to any questions that he had and then @ the end of the conversation that i had with the investigator, he gave me the impression that this investigation started by sam decero was a frivelous case as he had bigger more important matters to deal with for the il. dpr and after he spoke to i think samson, turbo, and i think one or 2 more people and then attended the hearing the il. dpr investigator tossed out the case and made reference to this case being one of the most ridiculous cases that he ever had to investigate and it was a total waste of il. tax money as well as his time.
from what i heard the investigator didn't have to many pleasantries to say about one sam decero and that was that as steve cain' il. referee license was not revolked.
i'm just trying to give a side of a story that was not heard to the masses.

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For those of you who don't know the PWI practices of 1999, there were about 4 different promoting cliques and all 4 used different angles and different people for their champions. It was all about who was friends with the promoter of the show. Sonny landed a show in Racine Wisconsin 1 month before my Milwaukee show but my commercials for the Milwaukee show had already begun airing in the Racine and Waukesha market. So I asked Sonny to let me book the show so I could keep the storylines consistent since Racine was only about 25-30 minutes away from Milwaukee. Sonny, thankfully agreed, but this now created the problem of me having to switch the John Burke title change.

Well, now the shit was starting to hit the fan. Burke was blatantly disrespecting me and Robby on his hotline, and even walked out right in the middle of Myself giving the pre-Milwaukee show meeting with details for the night. So I decided to leave Burke off of the show. Let's face it, Burke was pretty much useless and didn't bring anything to the table, even back in 99. shitty knees, grotesquely out of shape, no charisma. he shouldn't have been on the show anyways. Robby and Myself had decided to go with a totally new approach to the promotion. We were showcasing Steve Stone and Dave Storm against each other when all other promoters had them tagging up. We pushed new people into the heavyweight title picture, and gave Sacrifice his first push towards the main event. Vets like Burke and Blanchard hated us for it.

Robby convinced me to allow Burke to manage Teddy Rack on our show though, but I made it clear that if he wanted on the show that badly, he could work it, but there was no payday for him. I knew this was a mistake to even let him in our lockerroom, but Robby didn't listen to me and I should've put my foot down. Our show had things that nobody else dared to do with the PWI promotion. We had an $8100 budget for the show and were going with absolutely NO NAME STARS. We paid for professional lighting and sound. We bought a pyrotechnics kit. We had the lockerroom catered for the boys. We paid to have a monitor run down to the lockerroom so the boys could watch the show and know what's next. Nearly $3000 of the shows budget was TV and radio advertising. Outrageous yes, but we were trying to open a new market for PWI and hopefully land on one of their smaller TV stations.

Well, Burke ended up planting his big fat ass right in front of the monitor and really didn't allow anyone else to watch the show except his clique of boys. Then as I learned after the show, Burke had headed a plan to sabotage the show. His boys wouldn't go by the planned match times nor follow the finishes. Hot Shot Rick Rocket even faked an injury in a 3 minute match, stuck his finger down his throat and made himself puke right in the middle of the ring, and to try and make the injury look legit, Burke and his boys had planned to "clear the lockerroom" to run to Rocket's aid. During this unauthorized run in, Steve Stone deliberately ran around the ring and slid into the ring between the stage and the apron so he could rip the pyrotechnics wire because we bought pyro to help promote a guy we were pushing in the main event that Burke couldn't stand. This destruction of the wiring demanded that we take an additional intermission to fix it. With this intermission and all of John's guys going over in their times, it drove our show over the 4 hour mark. Burke's little clique ended up revolting at the end of the show and I ended up having Rick Rocket removed by security after giving him his payday, which led to Stone, Storm, and Flyboy TK walking out in support of John and his clique.
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The events of that night in Milwaukee led to my departure from PWI. Before I was to leave though, I was to fulfill the agreement I made with the Vicksburg HS committeewoman. Well, within the same week of the Milwaukee debacle, all 4 of my tires get slashed in front of my home by either Rick Rocket or someone he sent to do it. How do I know this? Various people who have left PWI have told me about him bragging about it, plus he worked for the cable company and knew my address, the only one in PWI that did. I also get a call from Sacrifice and he's telling me that Burke is putting the lean on him to take the Michigan show away from me. Telling Sac that he made sure no one would show up if I was still promoting it. Sac was worried about having egg on his face so he asked if I'd give the show over to John. I told Sac he was fucking nuts if he thought I was going to have set up and did 5 months worth of work on a show only to hand it over to John with 3 weeks left and no work left needing to be done. So now Sonny gets involved and Sonny, while on the phone 3-way with myself and Robby Dawber, supports me and says that I did the work, I landed the show, it was staying with me. Well, Sac told me that after that convo, Sonny called him and said that he should go with John. At this point I knew that the show was fucked either way. So, I had to send the half budget down payment of $1400 back to the lady and back away from the show.

John ended up getting the show, which is what I found out was his intention all along because Sac, feeling guilty about me getting fucked out of the show, told me that John had been laying the guilt trip on him for months asking him "why'd you give the show to Kirby instead of me?". So in order to bury me even more, John told the boys in the lockerroom that I was "going to call in a bomb threat to stop the show". Burke apparently even told this to the school board and they were even worried about it.

So not only did John ruin my Milwaukee show, steal a $2800 paid show out from under me, but he did his best to start the wheels in motion for the "Dipshit is dangerous" rumors that hound me until this day. When I asked "my friends" to back me up and support me, suddenly, there were no more friends of Dipshit left in PWI. All the vets that I pushed down the card were now standing in unison against me. Those events led to Robby and myself leaving and were the catalyst for 6 years of hatred on both sides.

You never backed me on that Sonny and I always took care of you. When you made me a co-owner of the company, I bought you a bottle of Jaegermeister and you even toasted me in front of the boys at a practice. Even when you worked an opening tag match for me in Milwaukee, you still got a $100 piezoff out of respect for you being the veteran you are. I always took care of you and you didn't even have my back. Then you stood by and watched as guys like Burke and Rocket and Blaze and Blanchard and Knight all tried to fuck me over and even got my family involved. Then when I started fighting back, you decided that you needed to stand AGAINST me. How in the fuck did that work? You couldn't support me because you wanted to be neutral, but you had no problem standing against me?

What did you think I was supposed to do? Roll over and play dead? October 1999 was a nightmare of a month for me, all caused by PWI. Your boys ruined a $8100 budgeted show, they slashed my tires, they prank called my house to death, they stole a $2800 show out from under me, they dragged my name through the mud on 3 different hotlines, then they threatened to sexually assault my wife. What the fuck was I supposed to do? If you recall, I never even fought back until they crossed the line with threatening my wife. Then when I did fight back, you couldn't handle it. Why? Because I fought back hard and I fought back dirty. I fought fire with fire, pun intended!

After that, you tried to personally blackball me. I still have the answering machine tapes of you, Jimmy Blaze and Trevor Blanchard calling the WCPW answering machine and telling Sam I was going to harm his wife and children. You made up stories about me buying a battle royal title. You badmouthed me to every knew trainee that came to PWI after I left which almost led to a fist fight between Airborne and Myself. You had that guy hating me so much that he even used to send his friends into my old job just to see if I was still working there, or so he claimed. The list is nearly endless of the things you did against me, yet you only tell people about the things I did to you, whether they were true or not.

So if you or anyone else in this scene hates me, blame yourselves, because you created me.

Just thought I'd share all of this since you're sharing your stories of Sammy D's deceipt and treachery. It just goes to show that more people than just Sammy D go to extremes to fuck people over. Not many people in this scene are saints.

Frame it up!

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May 2005

BT:
I haven't been myself lately due to some real life concerns. However, I have still been able to keep abreast of the scene thanks to the magic of the internet and real life whispers and gossip and that wonderful invention known as a telephone.

So here are some of the issues I am upset about lately.

1)Sam DeCero makes strong effort to sidestep my name in his "other site" interview.

I found it irritating that Sam brings up the 3 Ring Battle Royal, the biggest historical accomplishment of this scene, which I won by the way, and never mentions me. He brings up the Stacked Ring Badder Ladder Royale, which I created, yet never mentions me. It's the 5 year anniversary of my historic battle royal win and he doesn't even mention that. I guess Sam truly believes he is Vince McMahon and tries to erase you from history once you leave his fed.

2)How many belts are there at WCPW anyways?

Sam said there are 9 championships and that means that Sam got rid of a title. So which titles are still active over there? There should be womens, midgets, battle royal, tag team, six man, lightweight, middleweight, heavyweight, league, bare knuckles. If the Unified UAPW title is part of WCPW titles, then that makes 11. So why are there now 9? I know the women's and midgets have been inactive forever and the battle royal title has been inactive ever since Sam strapped Lawler (fucking mistake). So which titles are still considered active by Sam. UGH!

3)Ripper Manson retires as heavyweight Champion.

fucking disgusting!!!! I guess Rip is bigger than the business and doesn't have to job on the way out like everyone else in history. People can make the argument "he was being repaid for all his years of loyalty to Sam". I call that excuse utter bullshit. While in WCPW, Ripper had about 7 six man title reigns, 2 or 3 tag team title reigns, a league reign, and a 3 year heavyweight reign on his way out! What fucking more did Sam owe him? Ripper was repaid for his loyalty more than anyone else in that promotion. To let him retire as champ is a disgrace and I don't care how nice a guy he is. They better retire that championship then. If they try to strap anyone through a tournament, I feel sorry for the guy who wins it. He will have been a guy in the fed that couldn't defeat Ripper while Rip was on top and only became champ because Ripper retired. It's sickening!

4)PCW doesn't nominate me for inaugural Hall of Fame induction.

Everyone knows I got my start in PCW's predecessor PWI. While there, I revolutionized the cruiserweight heel! Let's run down my accomplishments while there.

*Former 3 time PWI Cruiserweight Champion.

*Created the first ever cruiserweight Heel Stable a year before WCW tried the LWO!

*Managed my stable to hold every fed title at once minus the heavyweight title and then managed the heavyweight champion later on.

*I created the art of a heat getting promo in that promotion. No one before me nor after me has been able to do the things on that microphone that I had done.

*Wrestled in the first PWI ladder match that set the standard for ladder matches in that fed.

*Created and wrestled in the first and only PWI exploding barbed wire ladder match!

*Became the most hated wrestler in PWI/PCW history both in the ring and in real life.

*Fueled a situation that leads people still today to crave the Dipshit/Sonny match!

*Promoted half of the shows that took place in PWI for a year!

*First one to book Sacrifice in a main event run.

*ONLY person to ever make Sacrifice look GREAT!


Just like the WWE Hall of Fame could never be a true Hall of Fame without Hogan, the PCW Hall of Fame can never be a true Hall of Fame without Dipshit. If it took Hogan 12 years to get in, who knows how long it'll be before I get the nod.


That is all for now.

Frame it up

I agree with the pup to a degree. I think Halls of Fame are needed, but for only the true elite of the fields. I am not a sports watcher so I can't name off baseball, football, basketball statistics. I think record holders should be in HOF's. In the WWE Hall of Fame, the first 5 inductees should've been Vince Sr, Vince Jr, Bruno, Andre, Hogan. Pretty much in that order. Those are the pioneers for what this industry is now. For it to take 12 years to induct Hogan because of politics is insane. Bruno should be inducted with or without his permission. He accomplished 2 title reigns that combine to over a decade and despite what he thinks of the business now, that doesn't change what he did THEN, in his era.

As for a local scene's Hall of Fame, I think I have a place in WCPW's and PCW's. Granted I shouldn't be one of the first ones in there, but I certainly earned a place in both, at least storyline wise. Sonny however, should be the first inductee into PCW's and Sam should've been the 1st into WCPW's. Without those 2, who knows if this scene would exist today. I get angry at both of them for not taking the bulls by the horns and instilling an old school training mentality to weed out the shit in the scene though.

As for me, I definitely think that winning a battle royal that is legitimately a record holder in the industry, is something that earns me a spot in WCPW's HOF one day. As for PCW's, I did some firsts in the promotion and industry type things there too that have already been mentioned.

We'll see if history agrees with me one day.

Frame it up!


I can think of 2 big men that came through PCW in the last 6 years that were not the usual fat slob big guy of PCW.

1)Slippery Puddin. Had this guy stuck with it, he could've gone far. A legit 450lbs with green hair and a stripper gimmick all the way down to a thong. THAT was an entertaining big guy. Plus he had one quality that most indy workers don't have. HE LISTENED! I remember carrying that guy to a more than passable gimmick match when he was only 2 weeks into training. Why? Because he was willing to listen to a guy about 1/4 his size.

2)Machine. He understands having a gimmick. I always thought it was a little too much like Kane's, but he still made it work.

Those 2 are about the only people from PCW that could even remotely be considered to one day be mentioned in the same breathe as the famous big men you mentioned. Aside from them, PCW has more examples of guys like MASS and The Big Don.

If you don't understand why it's important to LOOK like a wrestler, then you will forever flounder on the indy scene never making any real money. I was telling PWI guys in 1998 at our meetings that we didn't look like wrestlers and guys like Burke tried to make my life a living hell because of it. Truth hurts.

Now on the flipside of the coin, you also have guys that look like 12 year old children in your promotion and they are featured in your profile section of your very own site. So having a roster consisting of a majority of fat slobs or skinny little kids while only having about 5 guys that have a physique, that warrants a lot of the "shitty fed" criticism that PCW gets.

As for that POOOUNCE guy. His listing of 3 PCW guys as being the best in the Midwest made me want to puke. Those 3 guys wouldn't even make a list of the top 100 guys in the Midwest. Reminded me of the time in January 2000 when Burke went on his hotline and did a poll about the best workers in the Midwest and his top 3 were #3 Flyboy TK, #2 Steve Stone/Dave Storm (tie), then just to try to save a little face, he listed Vic Capri as #1. He still made sure to include 3 of "HIS students" in a poll of the best 3 even though TK had been training for a year, and Storm/Stone had been training for about 8 months. Ugh. I hate biased polls.

Not to mention that the people doing these "Best of Midwest Polls" have no extensive knowledge of workers from the Midwest. Unless they are students of tapes from workers from Missouri, Indiana, Wisconsin, Illinois, and Michigan, these people are nowhere near qualified to be giving opinions on the best of the Midwest. It's like if I only knew 10 wrestlers and held a poll of the best 3 workers in the world and they were all from the list of 10 people that I knew of. Totally idiotic!

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Given my experience in the scene, my degree in filmmaking, my ability to write well, and my creativity, I think I am qualified enough to turn CW.com around and ready to dedicate myself to making that site great again.

If I could turn off the controversy magnets and just do straight reporting of the feds in the area, do you people think I should be able to buy the site?

As it stands right now, the site is pretty much stagnate, even the message board. Reporting on feds is done in spurts and then the site goes without updates for days, sometimes up to a week. That site is hurting. I think it's time someone did something to turn it around.

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May 18, 2005

BT:
I am really pissed off right now. Why? Because of the shit going on at that other message board. I am so fucking sick and tired of the hypocrites that run that site, and even more disgusted with some of the hypocrites that post on their board!!!!

Why in the fuck are people so fucking 2 faced? Why are they so inconsistent? How come when a promotion that they like has a "scandal" erupt, certain people hide behind a "Law" created by an idiot? I believe the law goes something like "if it didn't happen in the ring, then it's nobody's business". With that being said, why in the fuck are people talking about the business practices of WCPW?

Let me point the finger directly at motherfuckers like Nick H and Steve Cain. I'll even quote Hoffa again.

"WHO ARE YOU? WHO THE fuck ARE YOU?"

You 2 claim to be professionals. You 2 claim to be businessmen. Cain, you used to fucking run with Sam and now you're a bitter asshole. How long has it been since you left? Huh? More than 5 years? What gives you the fucking right to be discussing Sam's behind the scenes rules and business dealings with his staff and trainees on a public fucking forum? Considering some of the fucking scum you have been associated with in this scene and reffing matches that involved 12 and 15 year old kids, who the fuck are you to throw stones?

And Nick H. Why in the fuck would you feel the need to spout off information about WCPW, especially incorrect information at that? Do you know that if you were a REAL businessman with a legit business, you'd be fucking sued for "tortious interference of business practices". How does a fucking cameraman feel that he is an authority or even remotely qualified to be giving Sam's business practices away and what the fuck does it have to do with the BOTB show?

Let me correct some misinterpretations of Sam's policy. I hate to do it but since they've been butchered so badly, I feel I should set the record straight! Now everyone knows I am not the best of friends with Sam but goddamn, right is right!

WCPW members are only required to sell 10 tickets each to BOTB. That is the ONLY show they must sell tickets to. PERIOD!!!! I agree with that rule. It's a smart business decision and allows BOTB to be a great looking show that can be used for a promotional tape to land future business with new clients or fair boards.

The only other requirement WCPW members have to adhere to is selling 4 Dinner With The Stars tickets. Another smart business move and not that big of a deal. Most people have at least 4 family members that want to go anyways in the hopes of seeing their relative possibly win an award.

I suppose all of you other genius businessmen think that Sam should let friends and family in for free huh? Let's keep in mind that Dinner With The Stars is not something Sam has to do. He does it as a yearly way to say thank you to the workers and a way to give a special night to the fans to sit, eat, and talk with their favorite wrestlers. The rental of the hall, the price of 2 dozen or so trophies, the price of the door and raffle prizes, the price of the individual dinners. All of that shit adds up to a ton of money. Why in the fuck would ANY smart businessman NOT make sure that the event paid for itself?

Same with BOTB. BOTB 2000 cost Sam in the rumored neighborhood of $20,000. A professional lighting rig that spanned across 3 rings and had to be "floated" to the Hammond Civic Center ceiling, is not cheap. Why in the fuck would Sam or SHOULD Sam not make sure that the event will at the VERY LEAST break even?

Here is a quick business lesson for all you indy wrestling hobbyists that call yourselves wrestlers and promoters and dare say "businessmen". IT TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY!!!! Implementing smart business decisions that ensure that "the show will go on", is the reason Sam has been in business nearly 20 years.

Compare Sam's training facility to the shithole "training schools" across this scene. It's fucking SECOND TO NONE!!! Sam beats all of your asses! Compare Sam's road show set up and all of his equipment and his television production to anyone of you scabs in the scene and he mops the floor with all of your asses.

I have seen tapes of that garbage you call a show Nick. It's horrible and I have no fucking clue how you can even put it on the air, public access or not. You aired footage of a show held in what looked like a backyard with 12 people around the ring with a baseball field in the background. That is the image you send out to who knows how many suburbs and that is what people come away thinking is our scene. You and your show hurt the credibility of our scene more than just about anything else going on in it today. Yet you dare to criticize Sam fucking DeCero? That is beyond laughable!

Bottom line is, it's none of your fucking business how Sam runs his business. Doesn't that fall under "Idiot's Law"? I can tell you first hand and with the clearest of fucking conscience that the WCPW presentation to prospective students is more legit and straightforward than anything or anyone I have ever dealt with in this scene. Everything is laid out to you before you even take your tour of the facility. These are grown fucking adults. They hear what is required of them if they want to be part of WCPW and they sign a contract agreeing to it. Where is the fucking problem? Where is the "scandal"? Where is the morally questionable evil Sam DeCero scam job? There isn't one.

You buy a car, they tell you what is required of you before you sign the papers. You buy a house, they tell you what is required of you before you sign the papers. You want to join WCPW, they tell you what is required of you before you sign the papers. If you don't like what you hear, you don't sign the fucking papers!!! Notice how nobody complains about Sam's requirements until they have been "shafted" somehow. Some guy didn't get a push. Some guy didn't get a title. Some guys didn't get to go over when 7 of his friends came to see him. It's always someone with a grudge that suddenly has a problem with Sam's requirements. Well guess what, that guy fucking agreed to it and if he doesn't like it anymore, there are plenty of other fucking feds he can take his ball to. Better yet, he can be like every other fucking dolt and leave to start his own fed so he can push himself to the moon!

I can safely say that I never bitched about the way Sam conducted his requirements. The only times I bitched about Sam was when he was doing something that I felt would hurt the company. Guess what though, I was always vindicated! I left WCPW for one reason above all else. The MCW/WCPW show. I said there was nothing good that could come from it and I was right. I left. Kleckner left. 8 guys known as Team Dammit left in unison. Dawber left. Ferrari left. Allen left. This is all a trickle down effect stemming from that show and the tensions it created when people ended up taking sides about it. All you need to do though to see that I was right about it all along is read Sam's own words in his own interview. MCW scammed WCPW with that show. WCPW did all the work, put a lot of their guys over, MCW got half the gate without doing any of the work, then MCW went right back to bashing Sam and WCPW. Like I said. I was vindicated.

My bitching about Sam and WCPW was pointing out my disappointments in that company not living up to it's substantial potential. I didn't try to bury Sam because I didn't like his requirements. I protected that man on that other board from every son of a bitch that came by and attacked him. I preached the WCPW gospel from the highest fucking mountaintops, getting myself in trouble for it along the way. Even after I left, I made public pleas to Sam or anyone who would read my post and take my message back to Sam, in the hopes that Sam would take my advice which I felt could only help him. I supported his shows and his boys for many months after I left. I didn't go the route of Steve Cain or Nick H.

Steve, you forget, I was there when you got called out and exposed for being a liar. You were working shows for other feds behind Sam's back and when confronted about it, you lied through your fucking teeth. Yea, big self righteous religious man huh? Don't you remember? I do. Sam told all of the roster what he was going to do. We were in Springfield on April 1st 2000 putting on a show at their fairgrounds. Sam told the lockerroom what you were doing and what he was going to do. Ripper, Stone Manson, and Sam were the main people doing the talking. They called you into the lockerroom where 40 of the boys and girls were all looking at you. Sam asked you point blank if it was true that you were working other shows. You fucking lied. Stone Manson pointed his baseball bat at you. Ripper started yelling about what happens to traitors. You damn near shit your pants. Then all 40 of us started laughing because you had just been ribbed to holy hell. You were visibly shaken though and the rib served it's purpose. Your face had GUILTY written all over it and we all saw it. Soon after, you were gone and nobody gave a flying fuck. Now as a measure of revenge, you "expose" Sam's business practices every chance you get. You're weak!

Frame it up!

What a fucking pussy Steve Cain is. Next time old man, respond to me here. Since the other boards Mods made it clear that they will ban people who bring things from this board over to there, I look forward to you being banned Steve.

However, you really need to look up the term bi-polar. It doesn't apply to me. I defended Sam on one issue and knocked him on a couple others. Life is not black and white Steve. I like some of the things the man does and others completely baffle me.

I knocked how Sam allows his personal feelings for a person cloud his business decisions, i.e. attempting to erase people from history. I praised Sam for his money making skills and supported them as being legit. How is that bi-polar?

My opinion of Sam has ALWAYS been that he is the best in the scene but his company has potential to be SOOOOO much more. It's the failure to "take the next step" that bugs me about Sam. Besides, what does it say about the scene that Sam's company is so flawed yet it's still the best looking promotion in the scene? Says a lot in my opinion.

So Steve, where is the bi-polar disorder? I took a stance on one aspect of Sam and took another stance on another aspect. Am I supposed to ignore the good because I point out the bad or vice versa?

Steve, you're clueless to this business. Always have been, always will be. I am surprised you didn't send THIS wrestling legend an email and call me unprofessional like you've done to other legends recently. Dolt!

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Sonny R:
i agree on most of what BT says and yes what sam decero has accomplished in nearly 20 years of operation is a blueprint to success though i may not agree with everything the man has done past and present.
in all fairness i want to bring up the incident that BT mentions about referee steve cain being kind of raked over the coals by sam decero in the wcpw dressing room @ the event in springfield, il. i believe. whether it was a rib or not by sam to humiliate steve cain and/ or just a way to get rid of him i don't know but what i do know is a story that was never brought up on the boards of cw.com or any other website forum so i would like to share the story with u all and let u all decide what is right and what is wrong. my intent of telling this story is not to publicly urinate or sling mud on sam decero on a public forum so here goes.
it is true that steve cain the long time wcpw referee was ribbed, ridiculed, humiliated, or whatever word fits when he was confronted by decero in the dressing room @ that wcpw event in front of the boys, office, woman, etc. and maybe it was not a smart move on steve cains part to deny that he was taking referee bookings for other companys in front of the entire wcpw staff but i do know that @ that time steve cain was going through a very difficult time in that his wife was going throug a life threatning illness and steve was having a difficult time financially and whether or not he confronted sam decero and asked permission to work for other companys i can't say.
during this time period the illinois wrestling commission that was regulated by the illinois dept. of professional regulation was still in operation and steve cain @ the time was an illinois licensed referee and the license fee was paid for by steve cain not sam decero.
after the wcpw dressing room incident sam decero took it upon himself to contact the illinois department of professional regulation main office in springfield, il. and made an attempt to have steve cains illinois referees license revolked because he worked for other non wcpw affiliated companys. sean curtin the headof the il. wrestling commission and his right hand man ron puccillo were not happy because sam decero went over there heads instead of trying to resolve the situation through curtin and puccillo without getting the il. dpr in the dispute.
an investigator from the IL. DPR started an investigation and steve cain was notified via registered us mail about a hearing set @ the thompson building.
yours truly, iron mike samson, frank the tank melson, turbo, and a few other people wrote character reference letters about steve cain and had them all mailed or faxed to the lead investigator of the il. dpr the il. dpr investigator contacted me for a statement and i gave the investigator the information to any questions that he had and then @ the end of the conversation that i had with the investigator, he gave me the impression that this investigation started by sam decero was a frivelous case as he had bigger more important matters to deal with for the il. dpr and after he spoke to i think samson, turbo, and i think one or 2 more people and then attended the hearing the il. dpr investigator tossed out the case and made reference to this case being one of the most ridiculous cases that he ever had to investigate and it was a total waste of il. tax money as well as his time.
from what i heard the investigator didn't have to many pleasantries to say about one sam decero and that was that as steve cain' il. referee license was not revolked.
i'm just trying to give a side of a story that was not heard to the masses.

BT:
Ya know Sonny, I cannot speak to the investigation story that you mentioned because I don't know the particulars. I do know that there was some sort of investigation and Steve had made some ludicrous claims against Sam, but aside from that, I cannot speak to it without coming across ignorant.

However, no matter what happened, it doesn't excuse Cain from being a lying coward. I understand his wife has health problems. I don't wish that one anyone and I won't use it as a means of low blow against Steve because I don't play dirty like some people that used to play on this board. My heart goes out to Steve for his wife and her health concerns. However, why wouldn't Steve just go to Sam and say this? How could Steve think that Sam, Mr. Religion himself, wouldn't understand the need for some more money and/or bookings for Steve if his wife's health was a concern back then. I don't believe Steve's family crisis played much of a role in his decision to flat out lie and go behind the company's back. All Steve had to say was "look, I need some more bookings or better paydays, my wife is sick". Sam and WCPW would've understood!

Let's take it a step further. See, many people hate the fact that I have a cast iron memory. I vividly remember Steve Cain reffing a PWI show in November of 1998 at the Hemmens auditorium in Elgin. Just to make sure I was clear on the date and venue, I went and pulled the tape. Sure enough, right there in the main event, reffing the Mike Samson vs Tito Santana match, is Steve Cain. I remember Steve "knowing me" when I came to WCPW. I asked how. He said he remembered me from that show.

So let's do the math here. Steve was called out in front of the boys in Springfield in April 2000. Steve's deception and working other shows behind Sam's back went at least as far back as November 1998. Not only was Steve a liar when confronted about it, but he had years worth of deception under his belt. So I don't buy that whole "I had to take other bookings and lie about it because my wife was sick".

Besides Sonny, you had a habit of using Sam's guys behind his back as a way to stick it to Sam. At the same Elgin show in November 1998, you dropped the Cruiserweight strap to Johnny Kiss who you had been using behind Sam's back. Go back to May 1998 and you were using Kiss then too, when he dressed up as a Kane mark and was trying to tell Wally Wilde he was going to chokeslam and tombstone him in their tag match. Kiss had to wear the full Kane gimmick and then the Gene Simmon's gimmick because he was afraid to be recognizable because he was working for you while lying to Sam. All of which you condoned.

So you can try to defend Cain all you want but I'm not buying into it. Bottom line is there are 2 kinds of men in this world. Men who draw a line in the sand, dig their heels in, and make decisions, stand by them, and accept the consequences of their actions. The other type is the kind that wants their cake while eating it too. The kind that lie and deceive just to get what they want. The kind that when they get tripped up in their lies and bullshit, will look you right in the eye and still try to lie. Guys like Cain and Kiss fall into the second category in my opinion.

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Sonny R:
the game sam decero and yours truly have played over the years has been pretty much mad magazines "spy vs spy" or maybe a long term game of human chess.
as i pointed out on the pcw board earlier in the week in regards to my experience to the wcpw battle of belts show last weekend i have decided to let mr. decero call "checkmate" and let him have the final parting shot.
it was great to see sams mom, his wife terri, tony ziak, teris folks, and so many other people i haven't seen in several years so i 'll try toi keep that part of last saturday in hammond as the highlight of the weekend.


sam decero initiated the investigation by the il. dept. of professional regulation and whatever so called allegations that steve cain made against sammy d. were probably in his own defense and one has to remember that sam drew first blood.
i had a rather unique experience that i will share another day that involved the il. wrestling commission in which sam made allegations of to me involving a summer festival committe that goes back to 1993, i said what i had to say to then wrestling commision head, frank glienna and commission rep, the late nick karasiotis. without telling u the entire story sams little fib backfired on him and in the end it more then likely lost him a few years worth of lucrative summer shows in a northwest suburb as that suburb never wanted anythiung to do with professional wrestling after they were dragged into this so called witch hunt.


as i try to clear the cobwebs in my mind on this early may morning , steve cain received permission from decero to referee the pcw event in elgin that u made mention to and as for johnny kiss he knew the risks going in as he wanted to work for pwi-pcw i didn't have a gun to his head and he did what he did.


like i mentioned yesterday i don't know whether cain made an attempt to speak to sam about working non wcpw events that lead to the unfortunate incident in springfield when he was stooged out in front of the entire dressing room and after 5 years pretty irrelevant whether he did or not.

BT:
Sonny, it's hard to take seriously some of the things you claim about others doing. If I were anyone else, I might believe it. However, being that you have said some OUTLANDISH things about me over the years that I know to be absolutely ludicrous, I have to wonder how legit your other claims are.

You have publicly stated that I shut your school down by buying off a crooked City Inspector. Matter of fact, you even publicly said that me and Sam teamed up on that one and Sam used his connections to help me get the job done. You even went as far as saying you were going to have the NEWS look into our "fraud".

You have also made claims about money switching hands between Sam and myself for a plethora of things, such as my battle royal win, and me supposedly buying a jacuzzi for Sam's Florida home.

Then there was the time that I was blamed by PCW for setting their school on fire. Granted you didn't post that claim on a message board, but the Stone Park police told me that when ALL of you were asked who could've done it, ALL of you said there was "only one person who is crazy enough to do something like this". Those were the words of about 7 Stone Park police officers as they all stood around me in an interrogation room.

So I take the Steve Cain investigation story with a grain of salt. I am not trying to reignite shit between us Sonny, but you have said many a thing about me that turned out to be false. I have to keep in mind the law of averages when considering how accurate your claims are.

Sorry kiddo, history is on my side with this one.

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Sonny:
likewise BT i'm not trying to start up the game of here say stew with u.
as far as the arson fire goes @ the stone pk. pcw training facility went from nearly 4 years ago after spoeaking with the franklin pk. fire investigator who happened to be a one time stone pk. firefighter the odds are it is what is called "greek lightning" in which, lets just say a property is over insured by the owner and leave it @ that and from what i learned about arson arson is one of the hardest crimes to get a conviction on and unless a person is actually caught in the act then in most cases the jury will come back and acquit the suspect.
the battle royal stuff was more then likely a here say thing but the city of chicago building inspection stuff still left a stench but as a result it turned out to be a blessing in disguise and i won't bring that up any further.
the steve cain license revocation that was investigated by the state of il. dept. of professional regulation by a complaint insiated by sam decero is very much true as i made mention to the other day. myself, mike samson, trevor blanchard, frank melson, and others all sent character reference letters to the investigator on behalf of steve cain to defend him against the attempt by sam decero to have his il. referees license revoked and i did make a statement to the investigator as did trevor, iron mike, and a few other people. the investigator toseed out the case and complaints administered by sammy d. as the complaints were just plain frivelous and the investigation was considered a waste of time according to the il. dept. of professional regulation and i stand by the fact that il. wrestling commission heads, sean curtin and ron puccillo were not happy because sammy d. went over there heads to try to get cains license revoked.
i would be very happy to have steve cain personally post on here of these events and/ or maybe i ca have them sent to me via email and i can copy and paste on theis board if u so desire.
the 1993 incident that i made mention of consists of a show that i sold to a small group of people in a northwest suburban town in 1992 for a june 1992 summer festival when i was still with wcpw, i sold the show i believe for $3, 000 to these people. the event was a success and they were strongly considering bringing professional wrestling back for the following year as it was there most attended event on the summer fair midway. as history tells u i left wcpw a few months later.
somewhere in 1993 i made contact with that same group of people about running an event foir there summer fest, i made mention that i was no longer a part of wcpw and that i had gone into business for myself and to see if they were interested in purchasing a show from yours truly they respinded that a few weekls earlier that they cntacted wcpw and agreed to have wcpw appear @ the communitys summer fest i thanked them for there time and wished them good luck on the wcpw summer event and simply said that i'll contact them the following year.
a few weeks later i receive a phone call from then il. wrestling commission rep, the late nick kerasotis and nick mentions to me that sam decero called the commission office downtown and makes allegations that i called him a crook and a few other deragatory things via the summer fest committee of that nw suburban community. kerasotis made mention to me that i would possibly have to answer these allegations in front of the board as soon as they received more information.
i made contact with the summer fair group reps to see what the hell happened and if it was true that i said these alleged things about sammy d. there response was is that when they spoke to decero they made mention that they were sorry that i was no longer a part of wcpw and they made mention that i called, started my own company and that was pretty much it so when i told them about the il. wrestling commission allegations charges brought up by sammy d. they did not appear to be very happy aboutr what was being said.
a few week went by and when i next seen nick kerasotis @ a wwf event in rosemont he told me not even to worry about going in froint of the board and that the allegations - charges were dead and buried. whether or not the summer fest people contacted kerasotis and frank glienna, the then man in charge of the commission is unknown to me to this day but i do know that after 1993 there was never professional wrestling held again @ that summer fest so in all probability sam used a wily coyote acme product item and it backfired on him.
as recently as this past november of last year there are 2 decero related storys that i can tell that involve ex wcpw talent chris chaos and one of the situations almost had the schaumburg police involved as a decero associate confronted chaos @ his home in schaumburg but i'll save that one for the shoot interview that i will do later and maybe i'll have chaos himself tell the story.

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BT:
Interesting stuff Sonny R. We all have our share of stories and we all are recipients of a lot of gossip and hearsay in this business. I don't know anything about the Chris Chaos story, but I do know that many people were telling me while Chaos was still in WCPW that he was an "arrogant punk" and was correcting people on their training claiming to "be a veteran". I left WCPW in 2001. Chaos came on board earlier in 2001. By my math, he hasn't even fulfilled the unofficial "veteran" criteria of being in the biz 5 years. Oh well, he's not my concern.

Anywho, since we're sharing stories of lies and corruption and people stealing paid shows, I have one from my PWI days. In May of 1999, I was approached by Sacrifice to bring PWI to his hometown of Vicksburg Michigan. He told me that the venue was great and that it would draw well. I am assuming Sacrifice came to me with the request because he knew I was the most determined and qualified to actually make it happen. He skipped over you Sonny, Blaze, Burke, and Blanchard, to choose me. Now in May of 1999, I was already in the early planning stages for an October show in Milwaukee at The Rave with Robby Dawber as my promoting partner.

I made contact with Sacrifice's old HS, spoke with the lady in charge who wanted to do a fundraiser for the graduation committee. So she agrees to the cost of the show and send me half the money, 4 months in advance. Things go well up until August of 1999. People at PWI were slowly putting the badmouth on Me and to a lesser extent, Robby Dawber. We were the rookies who were getting too big for our britches and were trying to run shows.

John Burke and Teddy Rack and Steve Stone and several others all went on their little hotlines and badmouthed the shows being promoted by Robby and Myself. Nevermind the fact that all of these guys were being used on the shows and were budgeted for better paydays than they had received from any other PWI promoter. Burke really lost his mind and set out to ruin my Milwaukee show when I cockblocked him winning the PWI title for a 6th time the show right before my Milwaukee show.

For those of you who don't know the PWI practices of 1999, there were about 4 different promoting cliques and all 4 used different angles and different people for their champions. It was all about who was friends with the promoter of the show. Sonny landed a show in Racine Wisconsin 1 month before my Milwaukee show but my commercials for the Milwaukee show had already begun airing in the Racine and Waukesha market. So I asked Sonny to let me book the show so I could keep the storylines consistent since Racine was only about 25-30 minutes away from Milwaukee. Sonny, thankfully agreed, but this now created the problem of me having to switch the John Burke title change.

Well, now the shit was starting to hit the fan. Burke was blatantly disrespecting me and Robby on his hotline, and even walked out right in the middle of Myself giving the pre-Milwaukee show meeting with details for the night. So I decided to leave Burke off of the show. Let's face it, Burke was pretty much useless and didn't bring anything to the table, even back in 99. shitty knees, grotesquely out of shape, no charisma. he shouldn't have been on the show anyways. Robby and Myself had decided to go with a totally new approach to the promotion. We were showcasing Steve Stone and Dave Storm against each other when all other promoters had them tagging up. We pushed new people into the heavyweight title picture, and gave Sacrifice his first push towards the main event. Vets like Burke and Blanchard hated us for it.

Robby convinced me to allow Burke to manage Teddy Rack on our show though, but I made it clear that if he wanted on the show that badly, he could work it, but there was no payday for him. I knew this was a mistake to even let him in our lockerroom, but Robby didn't listen to me and I should've put my foot down. Our show had things that nobody else dared to do with the PWI promotion. We had an $8100 budget for the show and were going with absolutely NO NAME STARS. We paid for professional lighting and sound. We bought a pyrotechnics kit. We had the lockerroom catered for the boys. We paid to have a monitor run down to the lockerroom so the boys could watch the show and know what's next. Nearly $3000 of the shows budget was TV and radio advertising. Outrageous yes, but we were trying to open a new market for PWI and hopefully land on one of their smaller TV stations.

Well, Burke ended up planting his big fat ass right in front of the monitor and really didn't allow anyone else to watch the show except his clique of boys. Then as I learned after the show, Burke had headed a plan to sabotage the show. His boys wouldn't go by the planned match times nor follow the finishes. Hot Shot Rick Rocket even faked an injury in a 3 minute match, stuck his finger down his throat and made himself puke right in the middle of the ring, and to try and make the injury look legit, Burke and his boys had planned to "clear the lockerroom" to run to Rocket's aid. During this unauthorized run in, Steve Stone deliberately ran around the ring and slid into the ring between the stage and the apron so he could rip the pyrotechnics wire because we bought pyro to help promote a guy we were pushing in the main event that Burke couldn't stand. This destruction of the wiring demanded that we take an additional intermission to fix it. With this intermission and all of John's guys going over in their times, it drove our show over the 4 hour mark. Burke's little clique ended up revolting at the end of the show and I ended up having Rick Rocket removed by security after giving him his payday, which led to Stone, Storm, and Flyboy TK walking out in support of John and his clique.

The events of that night in Milwaukee led to my departure from PWI. Before I was to leave though, I was to fulfill the agreement I made with the Vicksburg HS committeewoman. Well, within the same week of the Milwaukee debacle, all 4 of my tires get slashed in front of my home by either Rick Rocket or someone he sent to do it. How do I know this? Various people who have left PWI have told me about him bragging about it, plus he worked for the cable company and knew my address, the only one in PWI that did. I also get a call from Sacrifice and he's telling me that Burke is putting the lean on him to take the Michigan show away from me. Telling Sac that he made sure no one would show up if I was still promoting it. Sac was worried about having egg on his face so he asked if I'd give the show over to John. I told Sac he was fucking nuts if he thought I was going to have set up and did 5 months worth of work on a show only to hand it over to John with 3 weeks left and no work left needing to be done. So now Sonny gets involved and Sonny, while on the phone 3-way with myself and Robby Dawber, supports me and says that I did the work, I landed the show, it was staying with me. Well, Sac told me that after that convo, Sonny called him and said that he should go with John. At this point I knew that the show was fucked either way. So, I had to send the half budget down payment of $1400 back to the lady and back away from the show.

John ended up getting the show, which is what I found out was his intention all along because Sac, feeling guilty about me getting fucked out of the show, told me that John had been laying the guilt trip on him for months asking him "why'd you give the show to Kirby instead of me?". So in order to bury me even more, John told the boys in the lockerroom that I was "going to call in a bomb threat to stop the show". Burke apparently even told this to the school board and they were even worried about it.

So not only did John ruin my Milwaukee show, steal a $2800 paid show out from under me, but he did his best to start the wheels in motion for the "Dipshit is dangerous" rumors that hound me until this day. When I asked "my friends" to back me up and support me, suddenly, there were no more friends of Dipshit left in PWI. All the vets that I pushed down the card were now standing in unison against me. Those events led to Robby and myself leaving and were the catalyst for 6 years of hatred on both sides.

You never backed me on that Sonny and I always took care of you. When you made me a co-owner of the company, I bought you a bottle of Jaegermeister and you even toasted me in front of the boys at a practice. Even when you worked an opening tag match for me in Milwaukee, you still got a $100 piezoff out of respect for you being the veteran you are. I always took care of you and you didn't even have my back. Then you stood by and watched as guys like Burke and Rocket and Blaze and Blanchard and Knight all tried to fuck me over and even got my family involved. Then when I started fighting back, you decided that you needed to stand AGAINST me. How in the fuck did that work? You couldn't support me because you wanted to be neutral, but you had no problem standing against me?

What did you think I was supposed to do? Roll over and play dead? October 1999 was a nightmare of a month for me, all caused by PWI. Your boys ruined a $8100 budgeted show, they slashed my tires, they prank called my house to death, they stole a $2800 show out from under me, they dragged my name through the mud on 3 different hotlines, then they threatened to sexually assault my wife. What the fuck was I supposed to do? If you recall, I never even fought back until they crossed the line with threatening my wife. Then when I did fight back, you couldn't handle it. Why? Because I fought back hard and I fought back dirty. I fought fire with fire, pun intended!

After that, you tried to personally blackball me. I still have the answering machine tapes of you, Jimmy Blaze and Trevor Blanchard calling the WCPW answering machine and telling Sam I was going to harm his wife and children. You made up stories about me buying a battle royal title. You badmouthed me to every knew trainee that came to PWI after I left which almost led to a fist fight between Airborne and Myself. You had that guy hating me so much that he even used to send his friends into my old job just to see if I was still working there, or so he claimed. The list is nearly endless of the things you did against me, yet you only tell people about the things I did to you, whether they were true or not.

So if you or anyone else in this scene hates me, blame yourselves, because you created me.

Just thought I'd share all of this since you're sharing your stories of Sammy D's deceipt and treachery. It just goes to show that more people than just Sammy D go to extremes to fuck people over. Not many people in this scene are saints.

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I see that Sonny Rogers, instead of continuing the debate here, decided to take his ball and go home, or at least to the other board.

Allow me to correct him on a couple points since I know he'll still read the posts here.

1)I never once said Sam addressed the Steve Cain issue at a staff meeting or trainee meeting. Those words were NEVER typed by me and an outright lie created by Sonny. I said that I had heard that Steve had made a ludicrous claim about Sam to the state board. Since you said there was an investigation around that time, I just put 2 and 2 together. Never forget that I was pretty close to Sam my first year in WCPW and the conversation was in fact a 1 on 1 convo. Again though, I never once said Sam addressed this issue to the masses and certainly never even implied he did so to make himself look like the "face" in the investigation. Also Sonny, you said that my words were that Sam said Steve was making "false and Slanderous claims". NEVER DID I TYPE THOSE WORDS. I said that Steve had made a LUDICROUS claim, from what I had heard, and even then, I labeled it ludicrous. Sam told me the story and I determined that what I had heard was ludicrous. That is a far cry from Sam using the terms "false and slanderous".

2)For the love of Jesus H Christ of Latter Day Saints. For the last time. I AM NOT A MODERATOR ON THIS SITE!!! Quit saying I am because again, that is another lie!

3)I never once called you a liar about the story. I said that you have a history of either making shit up or repeating lies that you have been told by others. I even provided examples. I didn't say whether the story was true or false. I simply said that based on MY knowledge of you and your stories, that I, as in ME PERSONALLY, was going to take this investigation story with a grain of salt.

Again, you put words into my mouth, typed them up on another message board, and told everyone over there that those words were what I was "Saying" over here. It's shit like that that makes me not believe many of the things you say. All you had to do what print up my post from over here, and use it as a fact check sheet before you typed over there. Instead, you ad-libbed and embelished my words. It makes me shake my head.

Please Sonny, don't repeat stories about me or type them up on other boards if you cannot repeat what I say or type, VERBATUM!

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June 2005

BT:

Ok, now I'll chime in on this.

I didn't go to Dream Night so I cannot vouch for how good or bad it was. I was part of PWI/PCW for 2 years though and speaking from experience, I can tell you that their shows are typically not good. I went back to a PCW show in 2001 and it's quality hadn't improved. That being said, I am typically more inclined to say that Dream Night was probably bad.

That being said, I want to address the haters on Otherboard.com and why you can dismiss at least 2 of them. Before I do that, I want to get 1 fact out of the way. I have legitimate heat with at least a dozen people in PCW that would lead to punches being thrown if the issue was ever pushed face to face. That being said, I have never disrupted nor distracted from a PCW show that I went to. In November 2001, I attended a PCW show and was being mocked by the workers of that show while they were working matches. I had strong opinions about that and how bad the show was, but I never disrespected the show. I waited until I got home and wrote my review. It was the professional thing to do. So now let's get to the 2 haters you can dismiss.

Joey Eastman. This guy backdoored his way into the wrestling business and has allegiances to several other wrestling promotions in the chicagoland area. These 2 facts alone show that his opinion is biased. Add onto the fact that he has a reputation of being a self serving idiot at the expense of other people's shows and he is easy to dismiss. Look at it this way. My well being and my wife were threatened and effected by actions of PCW members and I still was able to refrain from disrupting a PCW show. Eastman admits to yelling out smark terms at Dream Night 5 times. I believe he admits to yelling "you're killing the business". He hasn't got an ounce of professionalism in his body so just ignore him.

Larry Sternshein. Here is another guy who backdoored his way into the wrestling business and is working for other wrestling promotions. He has an agenda as well and should be ignored.

Now I am not saying that Dream Night was great. From all accounts and personal experience/knowledge, I would say it's safer to say it was indeed bad. What I can't stand is the double standard that some people have. This scene has dealt with sex offenders owning promotions, attempted pedophiles bringing their feds to town, and promoters using 12 and 15 year old kids in matches, yet no one except for me got upset about that. However, if you inflate an attendance figure or put on a wrestling match with no psychology, then holy shit, you better notify the President because people come out of the woodwork with outrage.

In closing, I find it funny that anyone can say PCW sucks at ring psychology then turn around and support a fed that has workers hitting top rope pedigrees and top rope piledrivers only to have their opponents kick out. If you want to talk about any fed killing the business and lacking psychology, I'd point the finger at the precious ROH! I also find it funny that Eastman and his gang created something called "Orgy's Law" that went something along the lines that people in attendance at wrestling shows have no right to know what goes on behind the scenes at a show. Now he contradicts himself and goes investigating reasons why talent wasn't booked properly, etc etc. It's a joke!

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PCW entered into an agreement with Doring to appear on their show. PCW advertised him due to that agreement. I say PCW should contact Doring and explain to him that they have people to answer to as to just what happened and why he didn't show. Ask him for an interview.

If he agrees to the interview, post it on this site an as explanation for the fans to see for themselves. If there was a legitimate reason why he didn't show, let the fans see that PCW attempted to get to the bottom of it all.

PCW has every right to ask for an interview and Doring should be professional enough to offer an explanation to fans who bought a ticket expecting to see him.

Simple enough.

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Ok, if the PCW Hall of Fame is based on storyline accomplishments, then it's fair to say that the Dipshit character would be eligible based on the booking of the 2 years I was with the company. However, after reading who the first batch of inductees were, I am letting PCW know in advance that if they ever did invite me to be part of it, I will decline.

I have never seen such a ego stroking self serving farce in my life. Here is the official list of inductees.

"Hall of fame introduction. PCW honored past members of PWI/PCW for the years of service. Wally WIlde, Rick Knight, Rick Rocket Mike Gilmartin, Damian, Diablo, John Burke Char Jenning, Lou Tufanno, Denise Lusacheski were some of the people that received plaques."

I don't even know who Mike Gilmartin is. If I don't know who he is, then I can assure you not many people in the crowd did either.

Damian and Diablo started in PCW in mid 99 and then left to join AAW when that drama went down. What the hell have they done to get into ANY hall of fame?

John Burke? Congrats PCW. You just publicly endorsed a convicted sex offender YET AGAIN!

Char Jennig? Are you guys seriously telling me that Rick Knight's wife deserves membership into the hall of fame? For what? Next thing you know, you'll be inducting merchandise table workers.

Denise Lusacheski? Who is she? Her name is awfully similiar to Wally Wilde's real last name. Did another family member of a worker get inducted into the HOF for no reason?

Rick Rocket? That guy is a candidate for the Hall of Shame. Probably the lousiest worker I have ever seen in a ring, barring none.

Now that list says "were SOME of the people who got plaques". I am reading 10 names mentioned. Are you saying there were more than 10 inductees?

That list is a joke. An absolute joke. I have said it before and I will say it again. It is no coincidence that the Chicago scene are marks for Hall of Fame's all of a sudden based on Hogan's induction this year. The WWE Hall of Fame existed for 12 years. Now all of a sudden, after Hogan's induction is incredibly popular, we see 2 area feds suddenly give birth to their own Halls of Fame. It's stupid. Fame is derived from the word Famous. Who in the fuck in this scene is famous? Just further proof that the feds, workers, and promoters in this scene are nothing more than marks with a ring. It's embarassing. I feel sorry for so many of you.

Just remember PCW. Save yourself the trouble of writing up an invite for me to your Hall of Fame because I will undoubtedly turn it down.

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